As we approach 2009, it's time to look back at 2008 in the PLAN world and look forward to what might transpire in 2009. Last year, I took a look at how much PLAN has improved in the past 5 years. I don't think I will need to do that again. Frankly, PLAN improved so much in that 5 year period that it is impossible for it to make an equivalent leap in the next 5 years. As a result of this, this report will be a more abbreviated version.
To recap, some of my predictions from last year didn't turn out so well. In particular, the much anticipated 052D class did not show up at all this year. Although, I have read that work on it has already started in Shanghai, we just haven't seen any pictures yet. And from the new location of JiangNan, it's clear that pictures of 052D will not come as frequently or as clearly as the pictures for 052B/C and 054/A. Right now, we see a lot of overhead shots of the JiangNan shipyard (because everything is taken from aerial view) and a lot of guesses on what each of the ships are. Fortunately, HuDong shipyard still hasn't moved to the new location in Changxin, so its pictures are still frequent. As usual, pictures from HuangPu shipyard, Dalian shipyard and Wuhan shipyard are still frequent and very detailed. Even the extremely secretive nuclear submarine shipyards in Huludao cannot avoid those overhead satellite shots as evidence in those google earth images of 094s. These pictures are the reason that PLAN is the most transparent of four major PLA branches (my personal transparency rank is Navy, then army, then air force and finally second artillery).
In terms of new construction, this year was definitely a lot slower than 2007. In many ways, I consider it to be the slowest year since 2002. In 2003, we saw the 052Bs, 072-III class and 039G1s coming out. In 2004, we saw 052C, 054 and Qiandaohu class replenishment ship coming out. In 2005, we saw 051C, 022s and 039A coming out. In 2006, we saw 054A, 804 class MCM ships and YuanWang ships coming out. In 2007, we saw 071, 093/094, ELINT ship, 805 class MCM ship, Fuxianhu class replenishment ship coming out. Through this time, we also saw 2 Sovs and 8 636Ms inducted into PLAN. All we saw this year were slightly modified version of 039A, the Type 920 medical ship and a new submarine tender. All things considered, this year is not only a downer for the number of ships being built but also lacked the new exciting variants of past years. There are many reasons for this. We had the Olympics, which basically put a moratorium to construction for a few months. One of HuDong's massive cranes collapsed and it was also building 3 F-22Ps at the same time for PN, so HuDong only managed meager progress on a 054A. In fact, I was just thankful the crane didn't collapse on 054A. HuDong had been building 054A, 071 and MCMs in the past couple of years, so there was a huge drop in its deliveries to PLAN. JiangNan was finalizing on its move to Changxin Island, so the only progress we saw were a group of 022s. We've seen basically no work out of Dalian shipyard. For much of the year, the HuangPu shipyard seems to spent more time with tugboat rather than newer 054A. Wuhan shipyard has been working on 039A submarines, but clearly most of the military shipyards haven't done much this year. I think what we saw this year was PLAN finally getting some real work done with these new gadgets. They are trying to work on software with these newly found hardware. Among which, the 052B/Cs, 054As, 071 and 093/094 all joined forces in the Sanya base to form PLAN's most potent flotilla. In fact, I expect this base to be the primary base/headquarters of a future blue water fleet (China's version of 7th fleet and Honolulu base). You can even see that from the recent Somalia fleet. They are sending 169, 171 and 887 from this fleet with 169 and 171 to be replaced by 168 and 170 later. I've also read that 093 might accompany these ships on their way there. This kind of expeditions along with major live firing exercise in the past couple of years are the kind of training needed for the sailors to become experienced with these new ships.
So, what did we see and didn't see this year? We saw the second batch of 054A in Huangpu and HuDong shipyards toward the end of the year. At this point, we still do not know all of the changes on this ship, but we will definitely be following a lot of 054A next year. We saw at least 2 new 039As joining service this year and also a modified variant at works in Wuhan. However, all pictures surrounding this class disappeared by the second half of the year. We saw 866, the first of China's new Type 920 medical ship, joining the ESF. This was a surprise, because I expected it to join SSF to support long range operations, support islands in South China Sea and also do humanitarian relief missions. We also saw a new submarine tender, designed to operate LR-7, under works at Guangzhou shipyard. The need for a new ship in this class is very high with all the new submarines joining service, so we will be following this ship a lot next year. We also saw a lot of 022s in both HuangPu and the new JiangNan shipyard, so it looks like this class is still in mass production. At this point, I think no one knows exactly how many 022s are in service or will be in service. The number is very high and the production should probably wind down in the next couple of years. We continue to see new tugboats coming off the docks of HuangPu shipyard. It's almost astounding how many new units of this ship have came out. We saw the LCAC in the beginning on this year and not much after that. I'm guessing that it is entering service with 071 and we won't see much more of it. As mentioned before, we haven't seen the 052D class photo at all. We also did not see any action regarding to a second unit of 071 or a LPH. There might have been newer units of 805 class, but we didn't really see them outside HuDong shipyard. We saw one new type of Y-8, but did not see any pictures of the ASW/MPA version have already been ordered by the navy. We found out more about 054 series' ASW gear this year from pictures of TAS sonar on Jianghu and an interview with the capitain of 138. We found out that 054 not only has Towed array sonar as we long hoped for, but also may have something like the ASROC. We saw many some new export types of AShM being displayed in Zhuhai air show, but nothing resembling the long rumored supersonic ramjet propelled missile. We didn't see any news/pictures regarding to an AGS like naval gun, but have seen successful development of a new 130 mm gun for next line of destroyers. We have seen the much talked about FL-3000N in Zhuhai air show, but its presence there seems to indicate that it is for export. PLAN will probably continue on its pass of gun based CIWS for air defense. We saw newer gas turbine like QC-70 finishing development early this year and also indigenization of DA-80, which is already been used on at least on one of the 052B class ships. I'm personally looking for more gas turbines like QC-185, QC-260 and UGT-15000 on new ships. They may not happen this year, but their availability in the future would reduce the current bottleneck that PLAN faces for new ships. Getting the right motor has always been a problem for PLA whether it is for tanks, fighter jets, transports, helicopters or ships.
So, what am I looking forward to next year. The one that comes to my mind right away is 052D. It was probably overly ambitious of me to have expected to see photos of the ship coming out this year. I believe we will see pictures of this ship coming out next year, although not as fast and as furious as 052C pictures due to the remote location of the new JiangNan shipyard. Even though the quality of photos from this yard won't be as good, I'm eagerly waiting those photos to see the configuration for this ship. I've read some source speculating that this ship will be at least 1000 tonnes heavier and have more weapons loaded. Now that they've had a couple of years of experience with 052C, we should see a more loaded/combat design for the new ships. I'm also looking to see 054A in both HuDong and HuangPu shipyard. HD might be a little slow next year with more F-22P work and the crane problem, but HP should proceed smoothly now that tugboat and 022 production should slow down a little bit. I am eagerly waiting to see the weapon/sensory fit with these 054A units. We should also see more diesel submarines coming out next year. I don't know whether the newer units will look like the existing 039A or the one with modified hump. I suspect we will see more of the former, because 039A is now a relatively mature design, whereas the new one is likely to go through more testing. I'm sure there will also be more nuclear submarines, but it will be just as difficult to figure out how many will be produced. The other ships I'm waiting to see include more 071 class LPD, some signs of an LPH and a new 1500 tonne class ship to occupy the gap between 022 and 054A. I think we will finally see Y-7 or Y-8 based MPA next year that will be like China's P-3C. After focusing on ASuW, AAW and MCM in the past years, the ASW part of PLAN is finally coming out of ashes and showing up in new hardware. And as always, we saw new ships like the submarine tender, ELINT ship, new tugboats and Type 920 in the past 2 years, it will also be interesting to see newer types of auxiliary ships appearing next year. I guess the final one in mind is the aircraft carrier project. At this point, I don't expect to see any picture coming out of JiangNan that would be clear enough to discern an aircraft carrier. However, we can keep tabs on this project with all the news that are bound to come out. We received a lot of news this year regarding to the naval pilot school and possible su-33 purchase. I would expect more news like this to come out next year.
In conclusion, 2008 has been a quiet year compared to the past few years. The hiatus around Olympics, the specific conditions in several shipyards and possible problems caused by the snow storm early this year are all possible causes. I look forward to 2009 to be another important year as I believe many projects are about to start.
Monday, December 29, 2008
Sunday, December 14, 2008
A visit around the HP shipyard
As you guys know, HuangPu shipyard is located in Guangzhou province and is also one of the most important military shipyards in China. And the fixtures there are the 022 FACs, 054A frigates and tugboats.
First, we see some new pictures of the third 054A construct from this shipyard. Looks like this ship is ready to be launched soon. Most of the sensors and on-board weaponry are still covered right now, so we will have to wait until later to see if there are any major changes from the first batch of 4 054As.
And it seems like since 2006, we always see a huge flotilla of 022s outside of the HP shipyard. Even after 2 years of non-stop work, we still see that even now. Looking at this and the flotilla in Changxin shipyard, it really makes you wonder how many 022s PLAN has.
First, we see some new pictures of the third 054A construct from this shipyard. Looks like this ship is ready to be launched soon. Most of the sensors and on-board weaponry are still covered right now, so we will have to wait until later to see if there are any major changes from the first batch of 4 054As.
And it seems like since 2006, we always see a huge flotilla of 022s outside of the HP shipyard. Even after 2 years of non-stop work, we still see that even now. Looking at this and the flotilla in Changxin shipyard, it really makes you wonder how many 022s PLAN has.
Sunday, December 7, 2008
New Varyag photos
So this week, we saw some new photos of Varyag coming out. The photo is kind of interesting because it looks like they opened up the missile section (where the shipwreck missiles would be) to fit equipments in there. We are not sure exactly what. One of the major possibilities would be engines for Varyag. The parts for the engines could be lowered to the hangar deck through the missile opening and/or the hangar elevator. They can then cut an opening in the hangar deck to lower and assemble the engines inside the boiler rooms. After what seemed to be a couple of years of hibernation, work for Varyag has started again. Here are some of the photos of the work done for the ship.
Wednesday, December 3, 2008
Chinese Helicopter Industry
Today, I saw a really good interview the chief designer in the Z-15 from the Chinese side (who is also the deputy chief designer of 602 Institute. If you can read Chinese, the original interview is as follows, it provides a really solid look at China's helicopter industry.
Some of the interesting points that Mr. Yang made:
记者:我们知道直-15是一种6-7吨级的中型直升机,请问杨总,这种吨位的直升机主要用途是什么?
杨总:中国和西方国家,如法德英美的直升机吨位范围一般是从1.5吨到15吨左右,俄罗斯直升机的吨位范围要更大,20吨30吨都有。出于经济性考虑,我们和欧美主要发展的是1.5-15吨的直升机。6吨级的直升机属于中型直升机,其特点是通用性强,使用范围非常广泛。就直-15来说,它的载客人数很合适,经济性好,不大不小,可以用于运输、外部吊挂、电力巡检、旅游观光、航拍、森林防火和巡视、搜索救援、以及像四川地震这样的伤员紧急救护方面。以前法方和中方都没有这样吨位的直升机,我们之所以开发这个吨位的直升机也就是考虑到它用途广泛。欧直第一次在美国直升机航展上推这个型号,就获得了111架的订单,后来又陆续获得十几家的订单,我们中方目前也有了十来架的意向订单。
记者:从外观和座舱配置来看,直-15确实是一种比较有档次的飞机。
杨总:对,直-15之所以上档次,首先体现在它是按照最新的适航标准来研制,其安全性可以满足最新的适航标准,其次从经济性方面来看,它在油耗、使用维护性和客服支持培训等方面,已经代表了目前直升机的最先进水平。
记者:直-15和我国之前研制的直升机比如直-9最大不同点在什么地方?性能上有何特点?
杨总:直-9是上世纪70年代末生产的一种直升机,虽然它的母版也是民机,但设计之时的适航要求是上世纪的标准,从安全性方面来说肯定不如按照最新适航标准打造的直-15。对于民机来说重要的是好用和耐用,在这方面我们的直-15代表的是最新的设计水平。
记者:您觉得我国现在直升机研发水平如何?直-15和以前的直升机相比是否一个很大的进步?
杨总:现在我们也有完全国产化的直升机,如直-9和直-11,但从好用耐用方面和国外产品比还是有差距,国外直升机可能寿命是两万小时,国产的就只有5-6000小时,另外我们在售后服务方面还和国际先进水平有差距,毕竟发达国家广泛使用直升机已经有很多年历史。
不过这些年我国直升机产业在消化吸收国外技术方面取得了很大进展,下一步就是自主创新了,在这个方向上我们已经走过一段路程,但在比较核心的技术如动力和传动方面与国际先进水平仍有差距。在各方面的因素影响下,国内直升机市场表现还是不太好,这点也可以理解,就像买汽车,客户不光考虑的是性能,还有安全性和经济性以及售后服务。不过作为最新产品,直-15在经济性等方面比之前有很大的提高,完全和国际接轨,我们的设计要求和设计目标都完全是按照用户需求来制定,我们认为它的市场前景肯定比之前的国产直升机要好。
记者:在直-15之后我们是否还在研制更大型的直升机?
杨总:有这样的规划,直-15之后我们在研制十几吨级的直升机。
记者:如果我没记错,直8也是这样的吨位?
是的,但是直8是上世纪5、60年代的技术,毕竟是老机型了。目前我们正在进行项目论证,可能过一两年就会立项。
记者:类似米-26那种超重型直升机我们有发展计划吗?超大型直升机和中小型直升机研发方面有没有什么不同?
杨总:我们也有这方面的想法,在设计方面其实超重型直升机和中小型直升机区别不大,主要的差别还是体现在制造阶段。
记者:通过今年的汶川地震,可以看出我国直升机市场的缺口还很大,通过这一次,国家对直升机的地位更加重视,这是否意味着我国的直升机产业会进入一个快速发展阶段?
杨总:以前大家对直升机的用途不是非常了解,通过这次地震大家了解了直升机这种飞行器的特点和用途。和固定翼飞机相比,直升机的飞行更加灵活,它是六自由度的,也就是说可以上下前后左右飞,还能悬停。直升机对于起降场所的要求也很低,只要有一块平地就可起降。四川地震的救灾过程中充分反映了直升机的性能特点,使我们国家领导人认识到直升机在国民经济建设和国防建设中的重要性。
以前很多人不太了解直升机,汶川地震后胡主席和中央军委以及总装备部的领导对直升机的发展做了重要的批示,这是一个方面,第二个方面,通过汶川地震很多人都认识到我们国家发展直升机产业的紧迫性,不光是对经济建设,而且对我们国防建设也是相当重要。中国作为一个政治经济大国,缺乏直升机是不行的,不管是对经济建设也好还是国际地位也好直升机都具有非常重要的意义。第三方面,我们有过市场调查,随着经济的发展,人均国民生产总值的提高,一个国家的直升机数量会象当年的汽车那样出现“井喷”式的增长。
直升机有一个相对的缺点就是使用成本比较高,比较昂贵,这也意味着,要大量使用直升机,必然需要国民经济发展到一定阶段才可以,美俄及西方国家都是这样,从我们的市场调查来看中国现在也已经基本上到了直升机大面积使用的“井喷”阶段。全世界现在大约总共有3-4万架直升机,其中美国一个国家就拥有上万架,我国的军用直升机也就只有几百架,民用的更少,不到200架,和发达国家有不小差距,但差距同时也就表示有发展的潜力,预计10年20年以后,我国的民用直升机保有量将会有一个大的增长,到那时保有量起码会达到两三千架。
记者:您觉得直升机设计上最关键的技术是什么,我国在这方面的水平如何?
杨总:我个人理解,不管是军用还是民用直升机,最关键的技术还是安全性的设计,对民机来说安全性是进入市场的门槛、许可证。在和欧直合作以前,我们对于对于什么是安全性,怎样把安全性体现到设计中去,都不是非常清楚,而且对如何验证直升机的安全性也不是很有经验。通过国际合作,我们对此有了更多的认识。从关键技术来说,我们和欧直合作最大的收获,就是学习安全性的设计,分析和验证。只有满足了安全性的要求,才能进军国际市场,如果不满足这样的要求,西方国家是不允许你卖的,当然第三世界国家可能会不一样。
除此之外,我们也了解了西方国家的飞机的总体设计理念,从合作中学到了质量控制和管理经验,这些经验不仅对直升机,对固定翼飞机的设计以及我国整个航空业,乃至汽车等民用产业都有借鉴意义。我上大学时,老师曾说过“航空是一个国家工业化水平的一面镜子”,之所以这么说就是因为航空产品的研发涉及众多领域,例如材料,工艺,电子,机械等等,航空工业的产值也许没法和汽车或软件相比,但航空产品的技术水平实际上是一个国家工业水平的体现,只有把相关的每一个方面做好了,航空产品才会有竞争力,才能有进步。反过来说,若是航空产品有进步了,就也证明了国家的工业水平整体有提高。
如果我们中国有一天可以研制出A380,波音747这样的大飞机,那就说明我们的技术创新能力就可以和美国媲美了,我们就是一个工业强国了,那时候我们的国家领导人出访美国,或许就完全可以跟美国总统用同样的底气说话了。航空工业的水平不仅仅反映一个国家工业发展水平,也体现出一个国家的组织和管理水平,也是验证一个国家体制是否优越的标准。
记者:您觉得世界直升机未来发展有着怎样的趋势?
杨总:从总的趋势来说,安全舒适、经济性、好用耐用这些要求就像奥林匹克的宗旨“更高、更快、更强”一样,永远是直升机发展的主题,可以说是一种无止尽的追求,从安全来说,其核心问题就是适航要求,民用直升机的适航要求是更新很快的,在这样的条件下,我们的安全要求也就越来越高,从舒适性方面的要求来说,振动水平和噪音应该要越来越低,从经济性方面来说,追求越来越低的油耗,越来越容易保养。
记者:由于汶川地震的影响,我们国家未来对直升机行业的投入应该会增加,是不是意味着性能更好的直升机能更快的被研制出来?
杨总:单纯在直升机的功能方面满足要求还是能够做到的,但要好用耐用又安全,受制于我国的技术水平,目前还有一定难度。例如发动机,工作时最高温度上千度,最低也有8、900度,在这样的条件下要工作2万小时,还要不出故障,以我国目前的工业基础来说还是有比较大差距。关于这个,我还是刚才的观点:航空工业水平要提高,设计制造以及工艺材料等各方面都要搞上去,缺一不可,国家有足够投入,有一个合理的体制,才能逐步赶上。航空工业发展和足球有些类似,踢足球不是光有钱有人就够,如果没有好的机制,还是没有办法在赛场上创造佳绩,而作为航空工业,没有好的机制,就无法达到和人家(发达国家)一样的水平。
记者:今天从您这里学到了解了很多关于直升机的知识,非常感谢您接受我们的采访!
杨总:不客气。
Some of the interesting points that Mr. Yang made:
- China is developing helicopters in 1.5 t to 15 tonne range like US and Europe is doing rather as opposed to Russian portfolio which includes much heavier models. It seems to follow a general trend in the development of Chinese maufacturing industry where they are generally trying to follow the path of West. Most of China's recent indigenous efforts (not licensed/unlicensed production like flankers/Mig-21s) are actually showing more Western influences.
- EC-175/Z-15 received 111 orders in its first airshow appearance and orders from 10+ customers since. Chinese companies have also placed orders for 10+ Z-15s.
- Obviously, China feels that its self-produced helicopters like Z-9/11 are generation(s) behind Z-15. Z-9/11 only have a lifespan of 6000 hours compared to 20,000 hours for a modern western helicopter. This project is not only important for improving technologically, but also improving after-sales servicing and support.
- They are also proceeding with their 10+ tonne helicopter project independently and may launch the project in 1 or 2 years. It may be in conflict with Z-8, but that's ancient technology.
- Chinese helicopter market has a huge upside. At the current time, there are only several hundreds military helicopters + <>
- The biggest gain from cooperation with Eurocopter is learning how to develop a safe/reliable design. Prior to this cooperation, China had little idea on how to design something that would be able to pass the strict Western aviation standards. They also learnt the design process of Western companies, which includes the quality control and management practices.
Thursday, November 27, 2008
J-10 from Zhuhai airshow
J-10 was clearly the star of the recent Zhuhai airshow. There were many UAVs, but J-10 attracted all of the attention. You can see many of its flight performances on youtube by searching "j-10 zhuhai air show". You will be able to find clips like this, this and this. We saw J-10 doing steep climbs, sharp turns and refueling with HU-6. It certainly prompted some new reactions to the plane. One of the more famous ones were posted by Stephen Trimble. The comment by a Moscow-based aerospace journalist is as follows.
Now, I certainly feel vindicated that a Russian is actually really praising J-10 over Russian fighters. I'm still waiting for more article to come out on J-10 at the moment. I haven't seen anything by Richard Fisher or PKF on this.
The other revealing part about J-10 came out of an interview with Lei Qiang, one of the first J-10 test pilots. He certainly brought a lot of heated exchanges on Chinese bbs by saying that J-10 can do Cobra better than su-27. He also gave an interview with a magazine where he talked about his experiences with J-10. He talked about where J-10 was stronger and weaker. However, one of the more interesting thing that came out was a commentary online regarding Lei Qiang. The writer just talked about how the upper level in PLAAF didn't know how well J-10 would fare against su-27. So they asked Lei Qiang for his assessment. Unlike a more conservative/shy pilot would do, LQ clearly listed the areas that J-10 are better and the areas that su-27 are better. He ended it by saying that he definitely thinks J-10 can dominate su-27. So, they actually took su-27s flied by top pilots from one of the elite units and put it again J-10s flown by test pilots. And J-10 won handily. That is how J-10 project got supported. This man has also flown F-16 and Mirage III in Pakistan. He has also traveled to other country to see the tactics of other country's pilots. Basically, he has had some experience with modern Western fighters and tactics. His comments to PLAAF bosses and then the subsequent performance of J-10 vs su-27 probably ensured the success of the program.
And after the air show, we also heard PAF officials reiterating its desire to purchase about 2 squadrons of J-10. It's hard to say what is the next revelation of this plane. I suppose we will see J-10B's pictures coming out soon. We should also see WS-10A equipped J-10 pictures, although it's not that easy to differentiate that from AL-31FN equipped ones. I will also be waiting eagerly for next generation AAMs and PGMs (some of which were displayed in Zhuhai) equipped on J-10.
Let's take a look at all the PGMs showcased in the airshow and there are a lot of them. A couple of them first appeared in 2006 airshow, but more variants were showcased (from the same series, but just in different weight class). First, the FT series of SGBs. There is even a gliding version in FT-2.
In addition, you can see a video of FT-2/5 in a promotional video here.
Next part are the LGBs and SGBs produced by the maker of LS-6 and LT-2. We see a new 250 kg version of LS-6 + LT-3 that has TV and Laser guidance.
And finally, this is a promotion for LT-2, it shows that LT-2's CEP is 3 m.
And finally, there is another LGB called ZQX-200 produced another manufacturer. It shows that there really is many competitors right now.
I watched how the J-10 flew over Zhuhai, in 30 degree Celsius temperatures and high humidity.
The pilot did none of the show tricks like post-stall or tail slide or pitch-back, but turns were very tight, initial rate of turn very high. It was clear there is a lot of potential in this airplane to achieve the same maneuvers more quickly.
The pilot rarely used afterburner and the degrees of canard deflection were small. Still, the airplane flew very well. I reckon it will beat F-16C or MiG-29/SMT easily.
Now, I certainly feel vindicated that a Russian is actually really praising J-10 over Russian fighters. I'm still waiting for more article to come out on J-10 at the moment. I haven't seen anything by Richard Fisher or PKF on this.
The other revealing part about J-10 came out of an interview with Lei Qiang, one of the first J-10 test pilots. He certainly brought a lot of heated exchanges on Chinese bbs by saying that J-10 can do Cobra better than su-27. He also gave an interview with a magazine where he talked about his experiences with J-10. He talked about where J-10 was stronger and weaker. However, one of the more interesting thing that came out was a commentary online regarding Lei Qiang. The writer just talked about how the upper level in PLAAF didn't know how well J-10 would fare against su-27. So they asked Lei Qiang for his assessment. Unlike a more conservative/shy pilot would do, LQ clearly listed the areas that J-10 are better and the areas that su-27 are better. He ended it by saying that he definitely thinks J-10 can dominate su-27. So, they actually took su-27s flied by top pilots from one of the elite units and put it again J-10s flown by test pilots. And J-10 won handily. That is how J-10 project got supported. This man has also flown F-16 and Mirage III in Pakistan. He has also traveled to other country to see the tactics of other country's pilots. Basically, he has had some experience with modern Western fighters and tactics. His comments to PLAAF bosses and then the subsequent performance of J-10 vs su-27 probably ensured the success of the program.
And after the air show, we also heard PAF officials reiterating its desire to purchase about 2 squadrons of J-10. It's hard to say what is the next revelation of this plane. I suppose we will see J-10B's pictures coming out soon. We should also see WS-10A equipped J-10 pictures, although it's not that easy to differentiate that from AL-31FN equipped ones. I will also be waiting eagerly for next generation AAMs and PGMs (some of which were displayed in Zhuhai) equipped on J-10.
Let's take a look at all the PGMs showcased in the airshow and there are a lot of them. A couple of them first appeared in 2006 airshow, but more variants were showcased (from the same series, but just in different weight class). First, the FT series of SGBs. There is even a gliding version in FT-2.
In addition, you can see a video of FT-2/5 in a promotional video here.
Next part are the LGBs and SGBs produced by the maker of LS-6 and LT-2. We see a new 250 kg version of LS-6 + LT-3 that has TV and Laser guidance.
And finally, this is a promotion for LT-2, it shows that LT-2's CEP is 3 m.
And finally, there is another LGB called ZQX-200 produced another manufacturer. It shows that there really is many competitors right now.
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
A new submarine tender
So according to the person posting this photo, this is the new submarine tender ship under construction by Guangzhou Shipyard International Co Ltd. Here are some of the photos of the new submarine tender.
Now, it's kind of interesting that this ship also has the thing in the back (I don't know what you would call it) that is used to lower the LR7 rescue submarine that they are buying from the British. It's also interesting to note that this would be the first submarine tender that PLAN has ordered since Type 648. Considering all the new submarines that are coming out, it's about time that they build a new submarine tender that would make use of LR7. Some people are calling this the 9500 tonne type 926 class.
We also have some new photos of 866 in action.
And finally, CCTV has a clip of different services. The first part is the navy and shows 168 in action. It's actually kind of interesting to watch the different systems (especially the Type 730) in action. You can find the clips here.
Now, it's kind of interesting that this ship also has the thing in the back (I don't know what you would call it) that is used to lower the LR7 rescue submarine that they are buying from the British. It's also interesting to note that this would be the first submarine tender that PLAN has ordered since Type 648. Considering all the new submarines that are coming out, it's about time that they build a new submarine tender that would make use of LR7. Some people are calling this the 9500 tonne type 926 class.
We also have some new photos of 866 in action.
And finally, CCTV has a clip of different services. The first part is the navy and shows 168 in action. It's actually kind of interesting to watch the different systems (especially the Type 730) in action. You can find the clips here.
Saturday, November 15, 2008
Recent news from PLAN land
I was going to get to Zhuhai airshow, but I wanted to wait for some analysis to come out on it first. J-10 certainly made a huge splash, but let's look at what's going on with PLAN and also the new naval weapons shown in Zhuhai airshow.
First, we head to HD shipyard, where the second F-22P is under construction. You can see its photos below.
Second, we saw more photos of the 3rd 054A from HP shipyard taking shape. The front mast has now been installed and it looks just like other 054A in that aspect.
Next, we get some pictures of the two largest medical ships serving for PLAN. So contrary to my opinion, 866 actually got sent to the ESF. We also see 865, which was converted from German built 1300TEU container ship "QIU HE". We can see their photos below.
As promised, let's take a look at all the Anti-ship missiles that they displayed from this airshow and I'm skipping C-602 and C-802A here, since they are so common.
And of course, the missile that we thought was HQ-16, but actually turned out to be a long range guided rocket system.
You can even see a video of it in action here.
From the information I read, it seems to have the necessary range for the Taiwan scenario. It's another in the long line of long range rocket that China has developed.
One of the big stars of this airshow is the FL-3000N, which looks like a Chinese version of SeaRAM. You get a good look at the system + the missile + an article on this if you can read Chinese.
The article basically says that it fits 24 missiles (also has 12, 8 and 4 missile launchers?), the combat station can handle 2 FL-3000N launchers (one in the front and one in the back). It can defend against subsonic and supersonic AShM. It has two guidance modes: passive radio frequency/infrared homing, infrared only. The missiles locks-on-after-launch, it's fire and forget and engages multiple targets.
First, we head to HD shipyard, where the second F-22P is under construction. You can see its photos below.
Second, we saw more photos of the 3rd 054A from HP shipyard taking shape. The front mast has now been installed and it looks just like other 054A in that aspect.
Next, we get some pictures of the two largest medical ships serving for PLAN. So contrary to my opinion, 866 actually got sent to the ESF. We also see 865, which was converted from German built 1300TEU container ship "QIU HE". We can see their photos below.
As promised, let's take a look at all the Anti-ship missiles that they displayed from this airshow and I'm skipping C-602 and C-802A here, since they are so common.
And of course, the missile that we thought was HQ-16, but actually turned out to be a long range guided rocket system.
You can even see a video of it in action here.
From the information I read, it seems to have the necessary range for the Taiwan scenario. It's another in the long line of long range rocket that China has developed.
One of the big stars of this airshow is the FL-3000N, which looks like a Chinese version of SeaRAM. You get a good look at the system + the missile + an article on this if you can read Chinese.
The article basically says that it fits 24 missiles (also has 12, 8 and 4 missile launchers?), the combat station can handle 2 FL-3000N launchers (one in the front and one in the back). It can defend against subsonic and supersonic AShM. It has two guidance modes: passive radio frequency/infrared homing, infrared only. The missiles locks-on-after-launch, it's fire and forget and engages multiple targets.
Tuesday, November 11, 2008
Interesting things to consider
I know I'm due to post something on the Zhuhai airshow and I will get to that this weekend along with some new 054A photos and other photos. But I read an interesting article by Pat Buchanan today and I thought I'd comment on it. For those who don't know, Pat Buchanan is a prominent conservative (the old-time fiscal conservative rather than social conservative of today). You can find the article here.
Basically, he raises some interesting points about the rise of China and fall of USA. If we really think about it, the biggest gap separating USA and China is the manufacturing capability and the technology gap. Even after years of improvement, US still leads China by decades in certain areas. I think what he stressed there that's important is that China has really been moving up the value chain in manufacturing. At the same time, US manufacturing industry has been on a steady decline and the service industry is by far the largest one now. When we shift the focus to the military side, it's clear that civilian technology/manufacturing trends are also present there. We see a vibrant shipbuilding industry in China, compared to a non-existent shipbuilding industry in America. So even though there is a technological gap between the latest PLAN and USN ships, the production is a different story. China is building many new naval ships on time and on budget, whereas USN is plagued with cost overruns. It all comes down to the fact that China has the manufacturing capacity here, whereas US does not.
Automaking is an industry that is the foundation of manufacturing. US became the manufacturing center of the world due to its car making prowess. The entire concept of assembly line and mass production was started by Ford. Make no mistake, even with the big 3 in trouble, US will still be the largest card producer in the world due to the fact that all foreign automakers are building their cars in America now. At the same time, you see that China is still having trouble breaking into European/North American market due to the safety and emission requirements in these markets. However, you are finally seeing different private and public automakers in China really expanding their operations and mass producing cars. So, there is a technological gap, but the manufacturing gap is almost irrelevant here. Both countries have the manufacturing capability to produce the trucks, vehicles and tanks needed for combat operation.
If we shift our focus to aerospace, it's a totally different story. In this area, US has a huge technological edge in material science, engine technology, stealth, aerodynamics and sensor. However, US has retained its manufacturing capability here, whereas China has a very low-end aerospace industry. As a result, we see that China has to rely on Russia for engines until WS-10A can be ramped up. We see that China has to cooperate with the Russians and Europeans on advanced helicopter designs. We also see that China has to cooperate with Ukrainians and copy IL-76 in order to get its own military transport. Even after it successfully develops an aircraft, it cannot produce them at the same rate as Boeing or Airbus or Sukhoi. Just look at how much trouble SAC is having in just produce 10+ J-11Bs. At the same time, we see that it simply does not have the work force, technology and expertise to mass produce larger aircraft like Y-8, MA-60 or ARJ-21. I don't really call producing 30 ARJ-21s a year mass production. However, you see that China is really attempting to catch up in this area the same way it has in shipbuilding and automaking. It is getting an assembly plant for Airbus 320 in Tianjin on top of the assembly plant for ERJ-45 and also trying to develop its own airliner. At the same time, it has ready become a major supplier for both Airbus and Boeing. And in the recent Zhuhai airshow, we heard news that China is buying a Western aviation firm.
It's been a general Chinese practice to start by producing the simpler parts and then slowly move up the value chain while advancing technologically. Eventually, it will be able to first copy and then eventually design its own machinery. It has already happened in shipbuilding and automaking. I think it will also get there in a decade in aerospace. There really isn't much Western companies can do here. China has managed to capitalize on the competition between advanced Western companies for the Chinese market by getting them to transfer technology in certain cases, do joint venture in other cases and source parts in other cases. Unless everyone refuses to sell to China, a nation that is devoting this much resources to advance technologically will succeed. And you can also see this happening in other major industries like nuclear power plant, renewable energy and space technology (to a less degree). And I think the best point that Pat made is this one.
It's scary that he is mentioning this, because that's exactly what I read China is trying to do in the recent years. It has already bought out Western companies in automaking, CNC machinery for their technology rather than their business value. It's a luxury that most Western countries don't have. With a huge account deficit in most G-7 countries, they really don't have the money or the public support to rescue every company that has advanced civilian technology. Remember, China is trying to improve its overall technological and manufacturing prowess. Military industry will only be helped by advancement in civilian areas as clearly shown in shipbuilding.
Basically, he raises some interesting points about the rise of China and fall of USA. If we really think about it, the biggest gap separating USA and China is the manufacturing capability and the technology gap. Even after years of improvement, US still leads China by decades in certain areas. I think what he stressed there that's important is that China has really been moving up the value chain in manufacturing. At the same time, US manufacturing industry has been on a steady decline and the service industry is by far the largest one now. When we shift the focus to the military side, it's clear that civilian technology/manufacturing trends are also present there. We see a vibrant shipbuilding industry in China, compared to a non-existent shipbuilding industry in America. So even though there is a technological gap between the latest PLAN and USN ships, the production is a different story. China is building many new naval ships on time and on budget, whereas USN is plagued with cost overruns. It all comes down to the fact that China has the manufacturing capacity here, whereas US does not.
Automaking is an industry that is the foundation of manufacturing. US became the manufacturing center of the world due to its car making prowess. The entire concept of assembly line and mass production was started by Ford. Make no mistake, even with the big 3 in trouble, US will still be the largest card producer in the world due to the fact that all foreign automakers are building their cars in America now. At the same time, you see that China is still having trouble breaking into European/North American market due to the safety and emission requirements in these markets. However, you are finally seeing different private and public automakers in China really expanding their operations and mass producing cars. So, there is a technological gap, but the manufacturing gap is almost irrelevant here. Both countries have the manufacturing capability to produce the trucks, vehicles and tanks needed for combat operation.
If we shift our focus to aerospace, it's a totally different story. In this area, US has a huge technological edge in material science, engine technology, stealth, aerodynamics and sensor. However, US has retained its manufacturing capability here, whereas China has a very low-end aerospace industry. As a result, we see that China has to rely on Russia for engines until WS-10A can be ramped up. We see that China has to cooperate with the Russians and Europeans on advanced helicopter designs. We also see that China has to cooperate with Ukrainians and copy IL-76 in order to get its own military transport. Even after it successfully develops an aircraft, it cannot produce them at the same rate as Boeing or Airbus or Sukhoi. Just look at how much trouble SAC is having in just produce 10+ J-11Bs. At the same time, we see that it simply does not have the work force, technology and expertise to mass produce larger aircraft like Y-8, MA-60 or ARJ-21. I don't really call producing 30 ARJ-21s a year mass production. However, you see that China is really attempting to catch up in this area the same way it has in shipbuilding and automaking. It is getting an assembly plant for Airbus 320 in Tianjin on top of the assembly plant for ERJ-45 and also trying to develop its own airliner. At the same time, it has ready become a major supplier for both Airbus and Boeing. And in the recent Zhuhai airshow, we heard news that China is buying a Western aviation firm.
It's been a general Chinese practice to start by producing the simpler parts and then slowly move up the value chain while advancing technologically. Eventually, it will be able to first copy and then eventually design its own machinery. It has already happened in shipbuilding and automaking. I think it will also get there in a decade in aerospace. There really isn't much Western companies can do here. China has managed to capitalize on the competition between advanced Western companies for the Chinese market by getting them to transfer technology in certain cases, do joint venture in other cases and source parts in other cases. Unless everyone refuses to sell to China, a nation that is devoting this much resources to advance technologically will succeed. And you can also see this happening in other major industries like nuclear power plant, renewable energy and space technology (to a less degree). And I think the best point that Pat made is this one.
With her immense trade surpluses, China's reserves have surged from $200 billion in 2002 to $2 trillion. Awash in dollars, Beijing now waits patiently, writes McMillion, to cherry-pick the crown jewels of America's industrial empire—"patents, talents, natural resources, brands"—at fire-sale prices in the global crash.
It's scary that he is mentioning this, because that's exactly what I read China is trying to do in the recent years. It has already bought out Western companies in automaking, CNC machinery for their technology rather than their business value. It's a luxury that most Western countries don't have. With a huge account deficit in most G-7 countries, they really don't have the money or the public support to rescue every company that has advanced civilian technology. Remember, China is trying to improve its overall technological and manufacturing prowess. Military industry will only be helped by advancement in civilian areas as clearly shown in shipbuilding.
Wednesday, November 5, 2008
Congradulations to Barack Obama
I will try to keep this a rare thing. I normally don't post my political views on my blog, but I thought this is simply too big to ignore. Those who know me personally know that I've been an Obama supporter for a long time. In fact, I've been a supporter since 2006 when he announced his candidacy. Personally speaking, I don't agree with a lot of his policies, but I've always supported him. I believe that the leader of America should be a truly unique person with strong leadership qualities. The policies are formulated by the advisers and other members of the party. I will never find a candidate whose policies I agree 100% with. However, true leaders have something different. They have the ability to inspire the nation to do greater things. They have the ability to get the young people to believe in themselves and believe in the nation. They have the ability to give vision to the people, so that they can have hope and optimism. It's like in sports. The best leaders may not happen to be the best player/athlete, but their leadership inspires team mates to be better than they could ever be alone. That's what I always saw in Obama. He inspires a lot of people (including myself) to work hard for the greater good of the world. He gives me hope that this present quagmire will be over. Somtimes, having confidence in life is the only placibo we need to achieve greater things. Maybe all this inspiration and enthusiasm will not succeed (and it is hard to with the current economic situation), but he can't be any worse than George Bush. We will have at least a president that is respected by the rest of the world, an intelligent man at the helm and change the way the world thinks about America. Just by the virtual of having a black man elected, it tells the world that America is not just ruled by a bunch of old white man. But that it really is a land where anyone can do anything. That alone would change and has changed the way that the rest of the world thinks about America. This really is something no other candidate can do.
And when he was making his acceptance speech, I felt like crying. When I first came to North America and learning about the culture here, my first hero was Martin Luther King. I remember that goosebumps I had when I first heard the "I have a dream" speech. So, when Obama went back on the civil rights movement back in the days, it was almost too much for me to bear. It was amazing for not only the fulfillment of an old dream, but the start of a new one. Even though Obama is black and I am Chinese, I've always felt that I could relate to him. I related to him as someone who was born into a situation without much expectations, but managed to do well in life with the support of a loving family. When he spelt out a dream, he was not only doing it for black people, mixed-racial people or single parent people, but also for those who on the surface do not seem to share a life story with him. I'm a Canadian living in America, so I'm caught in the economic downfall like everyone else is. I wish that the change he speaks of will become beneficial to people in America and the rest of the world.
As for his policies, I personally don't support a lot of them. I'm very fiscally conservative and also believe that offshore drilling should be allowed and nuclear power should be the largest part of a clean air initiative. I like Ron Paul the most. I personally think that his economic policies would've been the most positive for America, but they are too radical for the main stream media and the public. Basically, I like the old school conservatism that believed in small government, pragmatic foreign policy and low taxes (which no one can label the present day Republicans). So despite having such a leaning, I never looked away from Barack's character, leadership and intelligence. These are qualities that I did not see to the same degree in any other candidates.
And when he was making his acceptance speech, I felt like crying. When I first came to North America and learning about the culture here, my first hero was Martin Luther King. I remember that goosebumps I had when I first heard the "I have a dream" speech. So, when Obama went back on the civil rights movement back in the days, it was almost too much for me to bear. It was amazing for not only the fulfillment of an old dream, but the start of a new one. Even though Obama is black and I am Chinese, I've always felt that I could relate to him. I related to him as someone who was born into a situation without much expectations, but managed to do well in life with the support of a loving family. When he spelt out a dream, he was not only doing it for black people, mixed-racial people or single parent people, but also for those who on the surface do not seem to share a life story with him. I'm a Canadian living in America, so I'm caught in the economic downfall like everyone else is. I wish that the change he speaks of will become beneficial to people in America and the rest of the world.
As for his policies, I personally don't support a lot of them. I'm very fiscally conservative and also believe that offshore drilling should be allowed and nuclear power should be the largest part of a clean air initiative. I like Ron Paul the most. I personally think that his economic policies would've been the most positive for America, but they are too radical for the main stream media and the public. Basically, I like the old school conservatism that believed in small government, pragmatic foreign policy and low taxes (which no one can label the present day Republicans). So despite having such a leaning, I never looked away from Barack's character, leadership and intelligence. These are qualities that I did not see to the same degree in any other candidates.
Saturday, November 1, 2008
252 is launched
One of the members on SDF asked me last night if the 2nd F-22P was launched and I just answered no. Of course, I didn't get a chance to check the military forums, because of the Halloween stuff. When I checked it this morning, it was a little embarrassing that I was wrong about it. Anyhow, here are some of the photos from 252 launching.
Also, we saw a new video + photos of the new CAC UAV that came out recently. I'm convinced this thing is not going to be a major part of PLA, because they normally keep new systems tightly under the wrap. Only export items like JF-17 and L-15 get shown right from the start.
Also, some additional news:
Also, we saw a new video + photos of the new CAC UAV that came out recently. I'm convinced this thing is not going to be a major part of PLA, because they normally keep new systems tightly under the wrap. Only export items like JF-17 and L-15 get shown right from the start.
Also, some additional news:
- Venezuela reduced the order of K-8s from 24 to 18
- Harbin received an order for 4 Z-9s from Kenya
- China will get help from Russia in its goal of building a heavy helicopter with maximum start-off weight of around 30 tons
- They have also purchased 4 Mi-26s from Russia
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